Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Am I Creepy?: A Guide For Furries

As a furry, I've learned it's a universal fact that, sooner or later, everyone in the furry fandom will have a run in with a "creepy" furry. In most cases, this will take place at a furry gathering or a convention. Perhaps it will be a furry who goes barefoot in the hotel lobby, has a visible (and olfactorial) lack of hygiene or injects awkward subject matter into conversations with complete strangers. These are the furries the media look for to shock and awe their audiences at the quirky nature of the furries. The ones who, by no real fault of their own, can turn a social situation into an uncomfortable experience for those they're interacting with. When we call a furry "creepy", what we're really saying is that they're socially awkward -- they don't recognize or are unaware of the usual social clues and etiquette.

The problem many of us experience with these "creepy" furries is that they simply don't realize they're creepy. To them, they are behaving just like everyone around them. If they were aware of the social awkwardness they were stumbling over -- well, they probably wouldn't be doing it. Unfortunately, informing these furries that they are creepy, even in the most benign of situations, can still hurt their feelings and be very uncomfortable for the one informing them.

Now, here's the part that might be hard to believe. That furry could be you, dear reader. It is the goal of this post to try and help you realize if you are a "creepy" furry and, if so, what you can do to prevent those around you from feeling uncomfortable. I intend to be as honest and forthcoming as I can.

Let me start with a recent personal experience...

******************

I was at a dinner with another 20-or-so furries. My table was the one the celebrities had clumped up at (there is a reason for this, but I'll talk about that sometime in the future -- perhaps my next entry). Amongst the people at this table were friends and colleagues I've known and worked with for more than a decade and, in general, we were discussing convention business and musing over events that have happened in our pasts.

Suddenly, I noticed the conversation at the table fell silent, and I saw a furry standing rather uncomfortably close to a friend of mine seated at the opposite end. I'm unsure of how his line of dialogue started, but he appeared to be lecturing my friend on some of his accomplishments in the scientific field. (I'll admit, I don't remember exactly, but I'm fairly sure none of us were discussing science at the time.)

He didn't notice the fact that the people at the table had gone quiet, or that they were either looking away from him or staring down at their hands. He didn't catch the facial expressions and social gestures from my friend that he was uncomfortable with the situation. And if he did see these things, he didn't know how to interpret them. It appeared that he'd just walked up and began discussing his life in the middle of our conversation and none of us had ever met this person.

After a moment of awkward silence, I could see my friend trying to respond in the nicest way he could and stumbling a bit. I thought the best thing to do would be to try to turn the conversation to something everyone at the table could relate to.

"So, where are you from?" I asked. The response I received from him was a pause-less, somewhat frightening torrent of words I will try to render thusly:

"Well I was in western Canada when I was younger but then I moved south for a while and I've been to the Los Angeles area before and around the southern California area but then I moved away from there and why would you ask something like that?"

I was a little taken aback. "Uh. This isn't a hard one, man. Where are you from?" After a couple more tries, he finally told us that he lives somewhere in silicon valley. Wonderful! Something we could grab onto and interact with him about. And, as another person at the table began to remark on someone she knew in the Silicon Valley area, the man vanished without so much as another word! Dissipated back to his own table, I assumed.

A few minutes later, as I was eating the dinner that had been brought out and talking with the friend in the seat next to mine, I felt a hand on my shoulder and a rush of breath on my neck from behind. I shivered, disconcertedly. I turned around and there was our new friend, his face just inches from mine.

"So I couldn't help but notice that question you asked earlier back when you asked me where I was from, I didn't know if you meant the place I was born or the place I live right now but I was just curious if that's what you meant because if that is what you meant then it seems like a strange thing to ask and why would you ask something like that?"

My mouthful of food sat there, terrified and unchewed. The friend who'd been talking to me had been cut off mid sentence by this and could only stare at me with an expression both concerned and relieved that this was happening to me instead of him. I tried my best to speak around a mouthful of steak.

"I was just curious," I said. At this point, I was becoming worried that he might have thought I was a secret agent or an alien trying to discover his home address. I'd never been told that asking a person you've just met where they're from was a strange question.

"Okay, because I wasn't sure why you'd ask a question like that and I didn't really know what you meant so I'm sitting at that table over there and I saw you were sitting here and I thought I'd just come over and say hi."

"Hi," I said. I had no idea what else to say!

"So all right, I'll go back to my table now I guess and I just wanted to stop over here and say hi so I'll go back to my table now and I hope I didn't upset you or anything."

"A little bit creepy, actually." Maybe I shouldn't have said it. Maybe it would have been better if I'd just smiled and nodded and let him go. But I tend to treat people the way I would like to be treated, and if I was doing something socially awkward and didn't know it, I'd want to be told about it.

He paused in thought and then looked at me. "Really?"

I nodded, "Yeah, that was a bit creepy." For a moment, it seemed like he might actually have been interested and appreciative of the feedback.

But then, all at once, he said, "Oh. Sorry, then." He got on his hands and knees and crawled across the floor, between the legs of a large horse statue behind me and back to his table.

************************

Almost everyone reading this will understand that this was a creepy experience. This person was socially awkward and uncomfortable -- even a little frightening -- to be around. Do I hate him? Of course not. Was I trying to hurt his feelings? Again, no. He just simply does not understand that the way in which he was behaving was strange and uncomfortable to the people around him. He doesn't understand that it's awkward to crawl on the floor of a restaurant or that there is a certain, generally accepted physical distance at which it becomes distressing for a stranger to be within. He doesn't understand that it's important to have met a person you wish to engage in casual conversation first, or that speaking in barely controlled barrages is very difficult to interact with. He doesn't understand, but this does not make him a bad person in any way.

 Unfortunately, once he returned home, he began to raise holy hell on the social networks, claiming his character had been publicly and ruthlessly attacked.. Ironically, if he'd wanted to prove I was wrong, that would have been the first thing he wouldn't have done. If not for the public self-crucifixion, he'd have probably been able to approach me again in a few months and I wouldn't have even remembered it. Now, of course, he's burned in my head for good.

What does this mean for our creepy friend? Well, it simply means that I will be making a point not to be around this person in the future. It's an unfortunate way to start out what could have possibly been a friendship with someone. Though I don't blame him for his lack of social skills, I'm still going to avoid him in the future. He has likely missed out on other helpful or important interpersonal relationships for the same reason.

In the end, he had (and still has) no idea that he was behaving in a creepy way. It's even likely the description of what happened that night will be completely different in his perception. And that's where this blog comes in. If you are a creepy furry, you likely don't know it. So, to prevent you from causing people you might like to know better to flee from you, and to help stop others around you from taking on the uncomfortable task of informing you that you're creepy, I have put together some guide lines to help you realize when or if you're being creepy and what to do about it.

Keep in mind - It is far beyond the scope of this journal to explain every unspoken social rule, why they exist and how to deal with them. Many of these rules are instilled into people from early childhood and on through their lives. What this journal can do is help you recognize if you're breaking those rules and offer some easy ways to react.


AM I CREEPY?

Focus on the actions in which you are currently engaged and the other people around you and ask yourself these questions (note: these conditions apply only to actual events and not necessarily internet experiences):

1. Have you spent 20 minutes or more focused on or following a person whom you've never met or been introduced to?

2. Have you spent 30 minutes or more focused on or following a person who is not interacting with you socially?

3. Are you sitting with a person or group of people who did not invite you to sit with them?

4. Are the people you're with repeatedly attempting to excuse themselves and go elsewhere?

5. Has it been more than one day since your last shower?

6. Look at your current attire (with the exception of costumes). Do you feel you would get in trouble if you were wearing your current attire at school or in a shopping mall?

7. Have you spent more than a few minutes having a conversation with someone who is rarely responding and/or responding in short, passionless replies?

8. Are you sharing more intimate details of your life, relationship(s), job or fantasies with someone who does not know your real first and last name?

9. Does the person you're talking to appear to be frightened or disconcerted by your presence?

10. Have more than a few people told you that you were creepy or socially uncomfortable?

If the answer to any of these questions is "yes", then it's possible that you are socially uncomfortable for some people to be around. If the answer to more than three of these questions is "yes", then you are certainly socially uncomfortable to be around. And if you answered "yes" to all of these questions, then God just spent a lot less time on you.

Now comes the important part -- what to do if you *have* answered "yes" to any of these questions. The easiest solution is in the question(s) to which you answered yes. Simply stop doing it. Remember, if you have goofed when it comes to a social rule, then you've just goofed. It's very unlikely that anyone will hate you for it. However, unless you stop yourself, you may wind up with a person or group of people who will never want to be around you again. If you recognize that you are behaving in one of the ways listed above, simply say goodbye and leave the area -- or, if it applies, reconsider your hygiene. If you're interested in meeting or talking to someone, perhaps it might be best to do it later. And it definitely wouldn't hurt to read up on social etiquette, specifically how to meet someone or have a meaningful conversation.

In the end, if you suspect you are a creepy furry and you can follow these guidelines, your social interactions with others will likely be much less uncomfortable for you and for them. And ultimately, you may have a much better chance at meeting and talking to people you're interested in.

8 comments:

  1. Hai 12Gyifon. I juss wanded 2 sae I lub u and u r in mein hert 5eva

    ReplyDelete
  2. Good article on the fundamental problem with some furries. I understand that a lot of them can't help it and most have a form of mental illness. One or two are on a level like no other people i have ever met. If i could help them, i would. But no amount of telling some of them actually ever helps. We call them "Gangles" here in Australia. The extra bad ones always quickly make a name for themselves.

    ReplyDelete
  3. My experience and perception of "creepy furries" (or with creepiness in general) is that it is an expression of desire for something which someone is either too afraid to ask for directly (for fear (or avoidance) of rejection), or, where it's something that is inappropriate to ask for directly, they're too idle to earn or work for.

    For anyone in the furry fandom, one I think almost everyone can relate with at some point in their lives, is hugging or physical / intimate contact. It seems to be the most common infraction of social etiquette where there is an absence of consent and where the 'victim' tends to let things slide. (Also, it is the only candidate example I can think of where opinions can differ about it being something someone can either ask for directly, or it being something that someone has to earn (ie: through familiarisation and sustained friendship.))

    A good prerequisite when approached by a creep or creepy behaviour is to take the earliest opportunity to challenge them directly on what they want before an infraction takes place. "Is there something you want?" or "Is there something I / We can do for you?". At least then, they have every opportunity to defend themselves before you inform them that they're being awkward or that they're making you or your friends feel uncomfortable.

    ReplyDelete
  4. i feel bad for these people because i've been there.
    its only cuz i work customer service that i know what a "normal"
    human social interaction resembles and then emulate that behavior.

    i feel confronting "creepy behavior", or pre-emptive attack
    (as suggested by the prev. note) is a brutal and harsh way to go.
    you make the person feel unwanted,remember this person is alone
    because they have no friends. the fact they feel compelled to
    stand next to you and your crew shows that they want to be
    a part of something.
    its ABSOLUTELY Cruel to humiliate them and put them on the spot
    before dismissal. You're basically bullying this person at that point.
    2's approach is much better. you acknowledge their presence
    and steer them towards an inclusive topic of discussion. if they
    are uncomfortable then they will leave on their own. there's no
    reason for you to force them to leave.

    at a con if a "creepy-fur" (i prefer 'terminally lonely-fur')
    approaches me,(and my group) i treat them like a celebrity.
    i ask them about their character, what interest they have in the
    fandom, if they are an artist or writer. and EVERYTHING they tell
    me down to the finite detail is just REALLY AWESOME.
    in a genuine way, not a sarcastic way. Ask them questions that show
    that you've been paying attention, hypothetical questions work
    best. never criticise or tell them they might be wrong.

    remember at a con this is this person's one chance to interact with
    someone who shares their interest in a physical sense.
    i've noticed furry drifting towards this Clique, we're excluding you,
    better than you, popufur BS.
    lets leave that behind and BE GENUINELY NICE TO PEOPLE.
    you cannot know how to handle every person or every situation,
    there's always a better way (in hindsight) how to handle things...
    BUT REMEMBER, As a Cornerstone, a Foundation to interactions with others:

    BE NICE.

    if you're worried about an awkward moment, or a "creeper's infraction"
    on your space/rights, then you are coming from the wrong place.
    Being Generous and aware of the emotions of those around us should
    come 1st.

    Besides you don't know that this person could be suicidal or mentally
    unstable, or something. If you smile, and Acknowledge them.
    you could really make their day.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. This is a very tricky subject to try and approach. I think the issue of "creepy" furs goes hand-in-hand with the issue of "open-arm" furs. I'll try and explain without sounding too condescending and confusing!

      The way it works in Australia (I can't really vouch for anywhere else although I suspect it will be similar) is that the "creeper" furs are allowed to get away with behaviour that just would not be tolerated in any other kind of social setting. I was recently at a meet and two close friends came up to me in shock. Apparently a young fur had come up behind them whilst they were catching up, and with no warning at all had grabbed both their butts and said "Do you two know each other? You should yiff"...and with that coped a further grope and left. My mates, were stunned. How could something like that be deemed appropriate at ANY time?!

      I think the answer lies in the whole 'Open-Arm' furry movement. Some people seem to believe that just because we share one common single interest that we are all united as one big family. Believing this means that they accept a huge demographic of furs from different social spectrums and lump them all in together expecting them to be best buddies. It just CAN'T work!

      The fandom is a lot like high-school. People with more than one similar interest, and who have similar social skills, are more than likely going to flock to one another and create cliques. That's just the way it goes. What the furries need to remember is that they shouldn't lower their standards of behaviour for the majority just because of the minority!! If a guy wants to run around grabbing random people's butts or worse, then let him organise his own goddamn meet with people who know what they are in for. Don't allow him the good grace of being respectful and friendly when his actions should be deemed wrong.

      I may be going off point a bit, but basically I feel like trying to include everyone in things can get messy, because you end up allowing for fucked up shit to happen!

      This being said, it is really hard to navigate when it is right to criticise and when it is right to encourage. I have no time for furs who are rude, try to interrupt conversation with their own agenda, and all the jazz that 2 Gryphons explained. You don't have to be rude in response, just a simple 'I'm sorry I was just having a conversation with *blank*, I'll finish then we can discuss your thing'. This would usually be enough for them to realise their actions were deemed inappropriate. However if someone went as far as the groper fur with my mates, I would have NO problem explaining to him what he was doing was wrong and he should change his behaviour. The key is not being cruel, but also not allowing stupid shit to go unquestioned.

      If the furry is just naturally shy/socially awkward, perhaps wants to be involved and may prosper from more confident socially acceptable furs, then I will go out of my way to include them. The furs who wanna be 'different' or 'interesting' by running around spouting stories about dragons at strangers and stealing people's chips or whatever, they can go fuck off. I guess I am cut-throat about it, but thats LIFE! I disagree with Brine, being generous and caring about the emotions of other's should not come first in some instances when clearly they have not bothered to respect you! Be friendly and inclusive when appropriate sure, but to NOT propagate and encourage stupid creepy behaviour just because you want to be 'nice'.

      There are all sorts to make the world, and I have no issue with the 'creepy' furs hanging in a group that doesn't feel awkward around them. However if I have to be subjected to ridiculous behaviour just because I am a furry, that is where it becomes a problem, and clearly many people feel like this so it IS a problem. We need to stop being so accepting of shit that goes too far. (Sorry for the essay)

      Delete
    2. Kuzo, i read your entire post. Thanks for reading mine
      and understanding where i am coming from. Thanks for taking
      the time to write such a good and thorough response.

      i adknowledge the incedent you speak of, nothing surprises me
      in the fandom so i'm SURE its true, however, you are speaking
      of an EXTREME example (outlier) and THOSE situations are RARE
      (exception not the rule)...
      Yes the Grabbing of your best Friends' butts was COMPLETELY
      uncalled for and out of line. only personal friends who know
      each other on that level (familiarity) should do such a thing.
      that is the Type of "creeper" that a reaction to would be very

      appropriate.

      (now its a given we have two different definitions of "creeper",
      i'm refering to someone who is always alone, and hangs out and
      leans over a conversation - eavesdropping)

      The part where i Dissagree with you is here:

      Being nice, and considering others' feelings
      is VERY important, and is definitely a higher standard.

      I'm saying correct the behavior with out attacking the
      fur personally.
      when you say the majority has to lower their standards to
      accomodate the creepers. i dissagree, a lower standard is
      the highschool mentality you speak of. we've all left that
      behind (and hopefully matured - doubtful given the fandom, lol)
      and should not wish to be treated like, or treat others like that
      again.

      if a Creeperfur misbehaves - which is rare, they are usually the
      best behaved of the bunch, its the rowdy outspoken crowd that run-amok.
      but IF they misbehave that is when you would talk with them and
      explain, rather than seek to embarrass them.

      its about TOLERANCE.

      back to 2's example, thats a lonely guy who has no friends.
      2 did the right thing by being nice.
      if you approach the situation "bracing for impact" you are
      acting in FEAR. you're allowing predjudice to act for you.
      instead, it is more appropriate to be civil, and guide the person
      along with the conversation to something more normal...

      Like you said Kuzo, POLITELY ask them to speak with you after you
      wrap up your conversation.

      Go out of your Way to be nice to people, accomodate people.
      there is no reason to be harse, or ugly towards someone you've never met.


      Its REALLY dissapoints me when i come across people who feel its
      ok to not be nice to people. Even more so to pre-empt someone you
      perceive to be creepy or weird.

      its the fandom, we're all pretty fucking weird.

      and when you're mean to someone, and attack them,
      because of a perception you have of them,
      even tho you've never formally met...
      you have to ask yourself " who is acting like the social retard ? "

      Delete
  5. From what you've said of this guy and his mannerisms it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he was somewhere in the autism spectrum, that's not saying he has an excuse for his behavior and I quite honestly hate it when people use that as an excuse.

    I'd imagine that after your encounter with him he dismantled the whole scenario in his mind numerous times and tried to analyze it and piece it back together into something he could understand more clearly from what he'd consider a logical point of view.

    My guess is that in the end he thought that in not taking him aside and speaking to him alone about it but rather being honest with him in front of your friends that you made him look like a jackass.

    From what I can see here you did the best with what you had and you've actually done the right thing in trying to help him out but as I've learned from a friend of mine with aspergers syndrome that doesn't always work out too well.

    ReplyDelete
  6. So this guy, everybody wants to run away from appears. Curious bird explores the awkwardness.
    This guy silently approaches you from behind afterwards, and you get a little anxious over his suddenness and presentation.
    So you look at him and tell him what's on your mind in a what could of been a Freudian slip, causing him to explode at you.
    Yes I definitely know this guy, in fact here is his picture:
    http://img13.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20120801/13/64583256201208011313304191611996622_023.jpg

    ReplyDelete