So, imagine you are an alien visiting Earth. Better yet, imagine you are yourself visiting another alien planet. You know nothing about the life on this planet except that they appear to be intelligent and have a complex social structure. For now, we'll call them the Florgnats.
The Florgnats are odd looking creatures, resembling a cross between a large octopus and a tropical bird. They each have brightly colored feathers, three large eyes and tentacle-like appendages which they use to move about through the sand and perform tasks under their perpetually dusky, purple sky. There is other life on this planet too, however it's not at all like the Florgnats. The others seem more environmental and driven by instinct rather than morality or goals, something like Earth animals. There's even one particular creature that reminds you of a giant millipede that some of the Florgnats like to keep as pets.
As you study them, you observe that not only are the Florgnats intelligent and social, but also seem to have a sense of their own mortality and even a duty to protect each other from harm. Eventually, you begin to pick up some of the words and grammar in their hissing-sounding language -- enough to understand simple phrases and ask basic questions. And one of the first things you learn is that not all Florgnat are created equal. Some Florgnats have six tentacles, while others have seven. Some of them have feathers that are decidedly a deep purple color, while others tend to hue toward a lighter blue. And rarely are each of their three eyes the same color. While this might not seem like much of a difference to you, to the Florgnats these differences are not only obvious, but part of their complex social structure.
You begin to notice that the bluish-feathered Florgnats are reacted to slightly different than the purple-feathered ones. The six-tentacled, purple Florgnats are almost always the ones who are in charge of building their simple, igloo-like houses, while the seven-tentacled purple Florgnats seem to be expected to wander off over the sand dunes and bring back a certain leafy shrub which will later be eaten. You note that these behaviors don't seem to be rules or laws, but social cues. You once observed a six-tentacled, purple Florgnat wandering off to gather Poodoocucucu (the Florgnats' favorite plant) instead of building a house. No one stopped it from doing this, but all the other Florgnats avoided the mismatched individual and seemed to harass and make fun of it.
But this is just the beginning of the fascinating things you witness! If a purple Florgnat insults any other Florgnat, they will usually fight! However, if a blue Florgnat does the same thing, it tends to be forgiven. Furthermore, the seven-tentacled blue Florgnats seem to keep more D'ak-bok around -- those millipede things -- while the six-tentacled blue Florgnat don't seem to be expected to do much at all, unless their eyes are colored red, white and yellow from left to right, in which case they will usually crawl on top of the highest Florgnat structure they can find and sit there in a trance-like state, sometimes for weeks, until another Florgnat hands them a balloon-like vehicle which they grab onto and float up into the cloudy atmosphere, repeating what sounds like "Nuu-Waaaaaaaa!", until they float out of sight, never to be seen again.
You conclude that the Florgnat certainly do have very complex social and cultural development. Like on Earth, no Florgnat is perfect. They sometimes make mistakes. Some of them break rules and are punished. Some of them get sick and are taken away to a particular place where other Florgnats try to make them healthy again.
But by far, one of the most puzzling things you observe is a particular inconsistency in Florgnat society. Once in a while, you see a Florgnat try to cause harm, not to another Florgnat, but to itself! When this happens, other Florgnat actually step in to prevent the self-injury and then take it to a particular place, not unlike others who become sick from a disease. Only this place appears to be for healing confusion.
If a Florgnat tries to stab one of its own eyes out or have one of its tentacles chewed off by the vicious Oooboos in the cavern of Ul, other Florgnat will save it and direct it to this special place of healing. Even if a six-tentacled purple Florgnat claims to be a seven-tentacled blue Florgnat, it will be sent for a visit to this place. Sometimes you see the confused Florgnat wander out of this place later appearing to have regained its bearings. Other times, you never see them come out again at all. All in all, it seems like a good thing the Florgnat are trying to do.
One day, you witness a Florgnat dangling one of its tentacles over the edge of B'am^rhiaf$dfa chasm where the snapping jaws of the Parana-like "Glubtu" will certainly chomp it right off. Looking around, you see that no other Florgnat are stopping this one from hurting itself! And having developed a fondness for these creatures, you decide to help. You move in to prevent the Florgnat from having its tentacle chewed off and, as you'd observed others do before, you begin to direct it to the healing place. However, this time, you're in for a surprise!
Before you know it, you are surrounded by Florgnat of all different kinds, and they're angry! You hear them, in their language, hissing words at you like, "Insensitive!" "Bigot!" "Evil!" One of them even calls your mother a S'pung-bat! In your best Florgnatese, you ask them why. Why are the other Florgnat who try to hurt themselves taken to a hospital or place of healing, but this one was left to injure itself?
Well, your Florgnatese is rather spotty. All you could manage to pick up was that while Florgnat who hurt themselves or have delusions that they are a different creature belong in a hospital, the best way to help a Florgnat who is trying to sever its seventh tentacle because it believes it is a six-tentacled blue Florgnat is to let them do it. Though, you may have gotten a few of the details wrong between all the Florgnat cursing and accusations of racism.
In short, the Florgnat pretty much shout you back to your rocket ship where you take off and fly back to Earth, never to return. And now that we're back on Earth, and with this story in mind, I'd like to ask a question... But it may not be the one you think.
Earth has living on it human beings who believe they are Napoleon, aliens from other planets, different races than they actually are and even animals. It also has people who have a brain that screams at them night and day to hack off their legs, arms, fingers or ears. What does society think of these people? What would our society think of a person who believed he was possessed by a fish and proceeded to try and cut his own legs off so his body would more closely resemble his "real" form? Obviously, this person would be sent away to be given proper treatment and, with any hope, cured from this harmful and delusional state.
Why then, when a man believes he is corporeally possessed by a woman and has a continual permeating drive to sever his own penis off, is this person denied proper care for this condition? Why is the "proper treatment" for this particular variation of delusion considered to be allowing the person to go ahead and injure themselves, where ANY other form of similar mental/emotional illness is tended to with the goal of actually helping the person to realize the reality of their identity and to prevent them from hurting themselves?
Why, in fact, is every other delusion-driven self-harmful mental state considered a "problem" where as the latter mentioned not only isn't considered a problem or delusional at all, but even supported and thought of as perfectly healthy?
There are a lot of questions here. But the one I truly wish to ask is this: Why am I, the person who asks this honest and obvious question, nearly always demonized and labeled a bigot for the simple act of asking it?
I think I'll take the next rocket ship to the Florgnats.
Good one 2. I wold write more but you don't need a Life story following this work of art.
ReplyDelete(Kind of like giving Devinci a stick figure drawing after he has given you the Mona Lisa.)
This is something I am still struggling to understand. I have multiple friends who want to be six-tentacled blue Florgnats. A few short years ago, I would have been one of those who demonized you for not understanding the problems these people go through. But I'm starting to wonder why the number of "six-tentacled blue Florgnats, born with seven tentacles" seems to be growing, with people seemingly jumping onto some kind of bandwagon, racing to the chasm to dangle their unwanted tentacle. If anyone ever comes up with an explanation that makes sense, I would love to understand it.
ReplyDeleteI think at hearts its a nature versus nurture aspect and its all in how these florgnats are nurtured. Think of it this way, the 7 tentacled florgnat is raised entirely within a family of six tentacled ones. All he has to identify with are the people who raised him, and now he sees an inherent difference and he grows to despise it.
ReplyDeleteIs mimicry not the sincerest form of flattery? How does one fill the need to be part of the social machine to make oneself able to identify with the whole? The 7 tentacled florgnat wants to be the same it sees only one choice. It gets its 7th tentacle severed off.
It all has to do with social dynamics, group theory, and self-identity versus group identity.
The group consensus finds that dak'bok fghting becomes popular enough to warrant a whole sub-culture in an of itself, but the majority of the collective finds the sport ok. Some group minority akin to our PETA thinks the sport is barbaric. Who is right?
Frankly, I'm of the mind that if you want to mutilate yourself so you'll feel better, go ahead and do it, then don't ever whine about it again.
I very much agree with you on the base level. I'm not confused why the Florgnat would want to injure themselves in some cases. What confuses me is why most of them are not allowed to while others are encouraged to.
DeleteIf Florgnat want to hurt themselves, shouldn't all of them be allowed to or none of them? Sure, some Florgnat might have an overly obsessive desire to play the role of a Florgnat they aren't... but why is it only okay when it's specific Florgnat wanting to play the role of specific other Florgnat?
What I learned in my psychology class is that there is a proven physiological reason for why a person may have gender identity disorder. While a person is developing prenatally, the hormones given to the fetus determine its sex. And these hormones can change at anytime during the 9 month gestational period. If it changes while the brain is developing as apposed to when the body is developing it is physically a woman's brain inside of a mans body.
ReplyDeleteNow they could just accept the fact they are a woman in a mans body and live with it. Or they could go and get surgery to change it. Just like all plastic surgery. It is there because people think that changing themselves will make them happier. Sometimes it does, but so does finding acceptance and contentment with who you are. In the end it is the persons right to choose which path it takes to find contentment.
Just my thoughts on the matter, since you phrased it as a question.
Sincerely,
Leviathan
It's always interesting how you always talk about the Male of the species and not the female of the species when you go back onto this rant. Because, apparently, being born with a vagina and wanting to have a penis is perfectly fine. Just destroying your manhood is the problem.
ReplyDeleteThe reason this isn't a problem in society, really, is that self castration is not considered harm. It's actually doing society a favor and removing excess producers from the gene pool, if you want to look at it in a horribly morbid way.
Besides, as a species, we castrate all the time, from minor snips to full blow "Get that stuff out of here". We perform it on what we consider lesser beings, all the way down onto the genetic level, all the way up to us, where we remove tubes and remove oval things, and replace them with metal balls. When it comes to sex, no one really cares. The species will move on and continue without these self selected people (From post-pregnancy people to self-realized people), and they themselves usually handle the issue gracefully.
It's just you that are squicked out about this. I honestly think that you speak loudly about it because you fear the fate yourself (through anything but free will), and you can't imagine that a person who would do so voluntarily is well. Which is fine, but saying that someone else isn't well because you don't want to do what they would do is doing *more* harm, isn't it?
Well, if this is the case, then let me correct it right now. I feel that a woman with the urge to mutilate her vagina is just as in need of care and treatment as their male counterparts. I only use males as a default, without really thinking to switch them up now and then.
DeleteIt is indeed confusing how animal species are a treated with a completely different set of morals, isn't it? If a dog is terminally sick, it's cruel NOT to kill it. If a human is sick, it's ILLEGAL to end their misery in this way.
But to be clear here, I'm not confused, frightened or upset by the fact that people occasionally want to mutilate themselves. My question is, why are some of them allowed to do it while others are put away in a mental home? If delusional people who want to hurt themselves are allowed to, shouldn't they *always* be allowed to? If we're going to give treatment to them, then shouldn't we *always* give them this treatment?
I'm not confused by the act of self harm, I'm confused by society's unfair reaction to it.
I think it falls to how we define insanity. A person who thinks they are flesh and blood Napoleon reborn unto the Earth to dominate Europe again is insane. A person who wants to be the other gender is not. If we can get gender identity to be a sympton of insanity then it would be treated the same.
DeleteHowever, we're not talking about people who *want* to be Napoleon. That would not be considered insane. We're talking about people who believe they *are* Napoleon.
DeleteSimilarly, we're not talking about people who *want* to be another gender. We're taking about people who believe they *are* a different gender.
It is very likely my own dense/stubborn nature here, but I just don't understand how one is different from the other.
Why do we not react to people expressing that their bodies are the wrong gender for their minds the same as those who believe that their bodies are the wrong species?
ReplyDeleteThat's a pretty simple one: One is scientifically supported and can be achieved while the other cannot.
As has been mentioned, sex and gender are not nearly as black and white as which equipment you were born with, as you should well understand.
However, without allowing for a lot of unfounded and fantastic theories, there is no way in which a person with a human body could have the mind of a fish. Mister Limpet may one day be able to become reality sometime in a future where we all get to choose our own designer bodies, but even then, it will still be the mind of a man in the body of a fish, no matter how much he believes to have the mind of a fish.
^-.-^
So your idea here is that the day (if it ever comes) that science is able to give someone plastic surgery to make them look like a fish, then a person who believes they are a fish will no longer be considered insane?
DeleteMethinks you oversimplify in order to make a good rant. While I could follow your same approach and boil "Moby Dick" down to a story about some crippled guy wanting to catch a really big fish, I'd be missing much of the crux of the story, as you are doing here.
ReplyDeleteYou also make it sound like the Gender Dysphoric folks are walking off to the shed to thrust themselves into a running hedgetrimmer. Anyone wanting to do that would be locked up and "cured" the same as anyone else trying to self mutilate. But if doctors over many years agree that the patient has a gender problem, and the patient can get the 20K in cash together, they "fix" the patient in a hospital, with drugs and nurses and the rest. It's hardly analogous to dangling yourself over snapping sharp snippy beasts.
That's not to say I think everyone who believes they are gender dysphoric actually is. A friend was determined that all his unhappiness was due to his gender and I watched him cross dress, take on the new name, and the rest. But it didn't make him happy, which I pointed out to him after a couple of years and said whatever was wrong in his life, it wasn't the gender. I'll agree with you that there is a group of people reinforcing themselves that their personally arrived conclusions that they are the wrong genders. And that can cause as much harm as a bunch of people trying to diagnose each other's cancers. But I won't say the condition doesn't really exist just because some of those who claim to have it do not.
The problem is, a person who wants their legs removed could also have it safely done in a hospital, but people who want it are still considered crazy.
ReplyDeleteWe are, however getting close to the heart of the matter here. My question wasn't "Why do people react to and deal with delusional/self-injuring people differently?" ...My question was why do people react to me as though I'm bigoted and insensitive for asking this question?
Any ideas?
Because American society tells us to question nothing and just swallow the white dribble of truth that drips down our throats from the corporate spigot.
ReplyDeleteYou actually somewhat point it out yourself in your story. When the six tentacled one does something unexpected of it, it's made fun of. Let's say the same applied to the seven tentacled one. All it has to do to no longer be made fun of and fit the social cue is remove one tentacle. That simple act, as far as it knows, would make its behavior socially acceptable. So, according to said society, it would actually be somewhat insane to stop it.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, being a bit nit-picky, the examples you used for people who are insane don't really match the criteria of someone getting a gender change. Those you listed as insane are such because they believe in things that would make them different from others, or are debilitating in one form or another, whereas a gender change would allow a person to fit into society better, and is no more physically impairing than getting a haircut.
It just comes down to what you think should take precedence: mind, or body. Should someone act a certain way, just because of the anatomy they were born with, and are they really crazy if they truly feel the answer is 'no'?
My thoughts on the answer to your last question: it's because you seem to place body before mind in this particular scenario.
Lemme know what'cha think.
I have to take issue with what you say is "no more physically impairing than getting a haircut."
DeleteBesides infertility, well, you may be right about the physical side of the issue, but there is a social difficulty, and no, transgendered people do not fit into society better. People do not want transgenders to be what they think they are, they want them to be what they really are (I mostly agree with you, 2, so don't consider yourself alone on this issue).
So, no, becoming what you wish you were or think you are is not going to help you fit into society better. The mere conundrum of bathrooms is torn apart at this notion. Does a man in woman's clothing get to go into a woman's restroom, as long as he believes he is a woman? Is it up to the person's right to enter a restroom, or the right of others to call security on them?
You'd think the simple solution would be to get rid of our sexually segregated restrooms, but I have brought that idea up to people and they have freaked the fuck out over it, so I don't think the world is prepared for that.
In short, because I rambled a bit, no, it's not very simple or easy, and it's not going to make the person's life very easy. Comparing sexual metamorphoses (if that is a phrase, I win, but if it's not, I call the rights for inventing it!) to a haircut is utterly ridiculous.
You are correct about it being more physically impairing than getting a hair cut; procreation isn't something I often take into consideration. The rest of your argument seems to lose focus, however. The question isn't about people who just think they're the opposite sex, it's about people who want to be physically altered to be the opposite sex. Using your own example, if than man had been changed into a woman, then yes, it would be perfectly acceptable for them to be in a women's restroom, allowing them to better fit into society, which was my entire point.
DeleteHonestly (I write too much so I'll bullet) I agree with the following:
ReplyDelete-Hormone changes in the womb can cause a literally different sexed brain than one's physical sex organs would suggest and at times it's been found simple hormone additives have made a world of difference to people with this issue.
-One should never be mocked or ostracized for asking a question - how is an ideal/ethos/culture to be understood if those involved wont share their thoughts with others who don't understand the point of view? The issue I find with this is that a lot of the time I come across people who don't really word things like a question, but (probably unconciously) make it a declarative statement in which they know the answer already without room for further discussion ("they're mentally ill. They need help. Period.") or ask it in a rude manner "You're messed up, what's wrong with you?"
-The big thing I'd like to add though...I don't disagree with gender reassignment surgery, and know it's dangerous, takes a long time to get approved for, and will make life a physical pain in the ass in a lot of ways, but if you really NEED it then go for it. It does bother me that it's becoming somewhat of a fad to jump at when one feels out of place. I think our best bet would be as a society to try and shape our social cues to support self discovery and satisfaction - when satisfied with the internal will the external matter so much? I'm physically female and happy with it, internally a pretty eclectic amalgamation of male, female and just weird traits, but I love the richness of the combination. Looking at an attractive woman and wanting to do very male things to her doesn't make me feel out of place, I just laugh, enjoy the imagery, and move on. Same with any of my interests - it rarely crosses my mind to consider whether I'm reacting in a male or female way, or whether I "Should like this". Just find a way to enjoy existing as we are and I think a lot of the rest will solve itself.
As has been already said, there are actual chemical imbalances that lead a person to develop mentally and emotionally as one gender while developing physically as another. In some cases this is a hormone imbalance other times the brain has developed so heavily to the contrary of the body that treatments either won't work, or won't be permanent.
ReplyDeleteI have always been an advocate of "If you want to do something to your body go ahead, it's the only thing you really own," but this is certainly a new look at it. What is the difference between carving your flesh open in the vain search for government microchips and cutting your dick off because you're convinced you're actually a girl in a guys body? None, both are delusions of some sort. Many will argue points like "God must have made a mistake," or, "Something went wrong in the womb," or my favorite, the ever so vague, "I'm just not supposed to be male/female"
Each argument has their counter-argument as well as fallacies. For the God's Mistake argument there is the simple fact that if you believe in god you must also realize that after thousands of years.. I think he's got the human making thing down. As for the In Utero Genital Swap, why does it have to be that you got the wrong body? People are born autistic every day yet people all around the world accept that they are as they should be, just different. Why can't you have just been born right, only a little different, maybe with a mental disorder?
The last one I dedicate a separate paragraph or two. People who argue the vaguest of arguments, "I have no explanation I just should be male/female" can be on one end of the spectrum or the other. Some people are confused for any number of reasons, leaving them with feelings of being the opposite gender while not knowing what to make of these feelings. Some feel this way due to having any number of beliefs or ideas crammed down their throats-most commonly religious, causing them to fear the idea of making such a grand change.
Others have become convinced of the idea from other sources, while a subset of these people have convinced themselves of the idea because they do not feel they can stand up to the societal standards put on their birth gender. Not being able to accept who or how they are, they run from their problems in the most direct way they can, hiding what they really are under a surgically implanted penis or breast implants.
On that train of thought, transgenderism can be compared to Body Dismorphic Disorder. Body Dismorphic Disorder (BDD) is a disorder causing the sufferer to see themselves as hideous even if they are truly beautiful or charming. They undergo copious amounts of surgery to cover up and alter what they see as "imperfections." What is transgenderism but a person seeing them self as being flawed and/or hideous in some way and needing surgery to make themselves "look the way they should." The only difference between the two disorders being that transgenderism has some surgical endpoint.
If you take issue with my opinion you may feel free to reply in like manner, preferably in a kind and civil manner.
Humbly yours,
Alex The Foxboy
I think the thing here 2 is that in essence these two issues are the same; what happens to differ is our perception of the issues and how they are dealt with.
ReplyDeleteSay a person feels that his left hand is "evil" and would like it to be removed. He would be considered mentally unstable because to remove his hand would in other peoples view would be a major mutilation and inhibit his ability to reintegrate into society. On the other hand someone who feels they should be a different gender can have a procedure that to society does not cause obvious biological mutilation and will still allow that person to reintegrate into society in their new role and be functional.
So the difference is that anyone who would like to modify their body in a manner that would make social integration and function difficult or impossible is considered a problem that needs "treatment" On the other hand someone who would like to modify their body in a manner that would not impact social interactions in a minimal or negative light is considered simply modification/trans-formative surgery.
These perceptions and trends tend to vary greatly between eras and cultures many of the modifications that we would find to be ghastly mutilations are considered every day beautification by another culture.
I hope this helps as it is truthfully neither right nor wrong, just my neutral opinion.
~Fleet